Our Tax Dollars Paying For The Religious Indoctrination of Children

by Ben Hoffman

SOUTH BEND, Ind. — Weeks after Indiana began the nation’s broadest school voucher program, thousands of students have transferred from public to private schools, causing a spike in enrollment at some Catholic institutions that were only recently on the brink of closing for lack of pupils.

It’s a scenario public school advocates have long feared: Students fleeing local districts in large numbers, taking with them vital tax dollars that often end up at parochial schools. Opponents say the practice violates the separation of church and state.

“The bottom line from our perspective is, when you cut through all the chaff, nobody can deny that public money is going to be taken from public schools, and they’re going to end up in private, mostly religious schools,’’ said Nate Schnellenberger, president of the Indiana State Teachers Association.

Under a law signed in May by Governor Mitch Daniels, more than 3,200 Indiana students are receiving vouchers to attend private schools. That number is expected to climb significantly in the next two years as awareness of the program increases and limits on the number of applicants are lifted.

Nearly 70 percent of the vouchers approved statewide are for students opting to attend Catholic schools, according to figures provided to the Associated Press by the five dioceses in Indiana. The majority are in the urban areas of Indianapolis, Fort Wayne, South Bend, and Gary, where many public schools have long struggled.
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An ignorant populace is exactly what the right-wing fascists want in our country. Education is a Republican’s worst enemy.

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24 Comments to “Our Tax Dollars Paying For The Religious Indoctrination of Children”

  1. Aside from all of the economic and academic positives for school choice….I have news for you….those choosing to send the kids to Catholic school have that right. IT IS THEIR CHILDREN and it is their choice.
    They are not being forced to go there. The “opted” for the Catholic school.

    You may not like Christian/Catholic private schools, but many people do. And, in many cases, private, religious, and home schools outperform their government admin-heavy counterparts.
    All parents should have the choice to send kids where they wish AND the ability to regain the tax dollars they pay in for local schools but don’t personally benefit from if they choose to send their kids elsewhere.

    Why on earth should Americans continue to pay taxes for a mediocre education system especially if they choose to pay even more for a better, private education?

    In addition, if these voucher programs are growing and expected to grow further, doesn’t that say Americans want the choice? Americans are tired of wasted dollars in the government education system and the poor results that are rampant in the system.

    And we are pretty sick of progressive nuts like yourself telling what politcally correct nugget our children will learn today…against our beliefs and wishes.

    Ignorance is believing that public education is the only answer.

  2. Education Choice is a Republican’s liberal’s worst enemy.

    There, fixed that for you.

  3. Now you liberals see how I feel when my tax dollars go to fund Planned Parenthood. I don’t agree with abortions but Planned Parenthood receives government grants(my money) that help fund abortions.

    Welcome to the “bend over and take it feeling”.

    • I don’t agree with abortions but Planned Parenthood receives government grants(my money) that help fund abortions.

      No it doesn’t. You right-wingers make up crap to be mad about.

      • Yes they do. And I don’t accept your right-winger label.

        Directly from Planned Parenthood’s website, http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppnne/donor-faqs-17879.htm.

        “Q. Does Planned Parenthood receive federal money? State funding? Support from foundations and corporations?

        A. PPNNE does receive state and federal funding to support our medical services and education programs. The cost of the care we provide exceeds the amount of funding we receive which is why we depend on private support from individuals and foundations. In fact, approximately $5 million in health care is subsidized annually at PPNNE through our sliding fee scales for teens and those in low-income brackets. That does not include the additional costs of providing education and training and outreach programs across our region and abroad. Of the private funding that we receive, approximately 20% comes from foundations.”

        And please don’t try the ole “medical services don’t necessarily mean abortions argument”.

      • It’s illegal to use government funding to pay for abortions. Which is wrong, but it’s the law. There should be forced abortions on religious women so they can’t reproduce and pollute the gene pool.

  4. Why should the Indiana State Teachers Association have a monopoly on public education money ? This is not about anything else .

  5. Nearly 70 percent of the vouchers approved statewide are for students opting to attend Catholic schools, according to figures provided to the Associated Press by the five dioceses in Indiana.

    Just what the US needs, more people under the spell of religious bullshite. It has been working great so far, I mean striving toward a second Dark Age is a noble and admirable goal.

  6. we need to get the right to vote on these bills. Congress showed us how un edjucated they are. we need to fire them all as they don’t have our best intrest in mind! How about a 70% pay reduction for the screwed up job they do. I still can’t beleave they voted themselves a 70 % pay hike. Our troops only get mabey a 3% raise.

  7. The Arbourist,

    Maybe you could cite some false left wing study that says public teachers do a better job than Catholic teachers in educating children .? I know you cannot cite any cost advantage . I suppose up in the Great White North Public school teachers rule .

    • public teachers do a better job than Catholic teachers in educating children .? I know you cannot cite any cost advantage.

      Alan, why should I cite anything for you? That would imply that, if given reasonable evidence, you would change your mind. Given our history, I do not believe that has happened yet, so why bother?

      I suppose up in the Great White North Public school teachers rule .

      Why yes, yes we do. Although, regrettably, there is also a catholic school board that you can also opt to support if you wish to damage your children in such a manner.

  8. It’s so funny how Libs, Progressives, enlightened ones, whatever the call themselves, stand by there anti-God, anti-religion ideology and ignore the Moral Decay of our Nation over the last half century. Teen-pregnancy, single-parent homes, STD’s, violent crime, uneducated youth, etc I could go on forever.
    I’ll admit Conservative leaders avoid these controversial topics most of the time too but nevertheless we must as a Nation confront the issue of Moral Decay in our society. We have replaced Morality with Relativism in the name of “political correctness” & progressivism.

    • We have replaced Morality with Relativism in the name of “political correctness” & progressivism.

      Our prisons are full of religious people.

      • Thank you Ben you just proved my point.
        Out of my whole comment that is the only thing you pulled out of it. Gee an I’m the brainwashed one??

      • Yep, you are brainwashed if you think religion makes people moral. The highest incidence of single parent households are with Hispanics, who tend to be religious. The states with the highest crime rates are also the most conservative, which means the most religious. Education is generally lowest in the most conservative states. The states with the highest divorce rates are the most conservative.

        Overly religious people (where a deity is involved) tend to be pathological liars, since you can’t defend religion without lying. And the Republican party is like a religion to right-wingers — thus the lies.

      • What you Liberals fail to understand is that being “Religious” doesn’t automatically make you a devote Christian who maintains a Biblical Worldview.
        Most Hispanics are “Religious” really? What do even mean by “Religious”? They do religious type stuff?
        I agree being “religious” doesn’t by virtue make you moral. Holding Christian values, and a Biblical Worldview that is where morality can be found.
        Sure just like any group of people there will be hypocrites & those that do not “practice what they preach”. So what, that is there choice & like any choice there are consequences. That doesn’t change the fact that the Moral decay in this country can be traced very precisely by every progressive policy enacted over the years from Justice Blacks ruling in Everson vs. Board of Education (1947) to the removal of prayer in schools.
        We can debate “Religion” all day long that doesn’t hide the serious facts of Moral Decay in our Nation & what has resulted from it.

      • We can debate “Religion” all day long that doesn’t hide the serious facts of Moral Decay in our Nation & what has resulted from it.

        Do you have any facts to back up that assertion, or is it just based on emotion and what you want to believe?

        Religious Christians are the most dishonest, hateful, vindictive group on our planet. All you need to do is check out blogs by religious Christians to validate that.

      • The fact that you honestly believe in that short-sided “brainwashed” assessment of “all” Christians is very sad. All you Libs stand for is Moral Relativism.
        You want moral decay Mr. Hoffman, let’s go.

        Everyday in America:

        -1,000 unwed teenage girls become mothers
        -1,106 teenage girls have abortions
        -4,219 teenagers contact sexually transmitted diseases
        -500 adolescents begin using illegal drugs
        -1,000 adolescents begin drinking alcohol
        -135,000 kids bring guns or other weapons to school
        – 3,610 teens are assaulted
        -80 teens are raped
        -630 teens are robbed
        -16 teens are murdered
        -13 teens commit suicide

      • -1,000 unwed teenage girls become mothers

        They should have abortions, instead. 🙂

        The problem isn’t lack of religion; it’s lack of jobs and opportunities, thanks mainly to conservative (religious-nuts) policies. The American dream is dead for a lot of people. The idea that you can work hard and get ahead is no longer relevant. The jobs that once allowed people to do that have been outsourced to China and other slave-wage countries. It takes higher education now to get into the middle class, which is priced out of reach for many, thanks to conservative policies.

        So what happens to kids when they can’t find jobs and can’t afford college? They turn to drugs and engage in “immoral” behavior. You religious-nuts caused the problem. Worshiping some imaginary being sure as hell isn’t going to solve it.

  9. The Arbourist ,

    ” Why yes, yes we do. ”

    I always had my suspicions, but now I know .

    Mr. Hoffman ,

    ” Our prisons are full of religious people ‘

    They become religious after they are in prison . It is part of the rehabilitation away from Atheism . I wonder what the percentages of repeat offenders are Atheists . I recon it’s better than half .

  10. Mr. Hoffman,

    ” You just made that up.”

    I confess, but I expected you to come back with incarcerated Priests. You didn’t. Too late now .

  11. All you Libs stand for is Moral Relativism.

    If you are incensed about people making generalizations about your preferred sect then perhaps you should not generalize back? Condemning someone for doing something then doing it yourself is inconsistent.

    Speaking further toward the idea of moral relativism you seem to construct an argument that does not really represent reality. Moral relativism on its own does not represent a viable ethical system, however combined with utilitarian and deontological precepts, though it is very useful and just way of looking at ethical problems.

    • TD probably doesn’t know what is meant by “moral relativism” but has been brainwashed into believing it’s something bad. It is, however, relevant to the topic.

      Religious Christians’ morals are defined in the Bible — specifically the New Testament. It basically says: “you can do whatever you want, and as long as you believe that Jesus died for your sins, you’re forgiven.”

      Liberal “morals” aren’t really morals; they’re based more on how we can make the world better, and that means providing opportunities for all, access to college, jobs, a clean environment, and protecting workers from abuse.

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