How is Charles Manson like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Jan Brewer, Bill O’Reilly, Sarah Palin, and Rush Limbaugh?

by Ben Hoffman

They’re all murderers. While none of them actually pulled the trigger, they manipulated the weak minded into doing their dirty work for them.

Like those who committed the Tate-LaBianca murders, Jared L. Loughner is unstable, if not schizophrenic. Loughner was motivated to kill by all the right-wing hate mongering. Right-wing pundits drove him off the deep end and now there are 17 wounded and 6 dead.

The lying bastards have convinced a large portion of the population that the Democrats are engaged in dangerous intrusions into our personal lives. That they are communists, socialists, and fascists (all at the same time), and Obama is engaged in creating a master race for a new world order. This insane crap is propagated by Fox “news,” as well as right-wing talk radio. And if lying was an impeachable offense, there wouldn’t be a Republican in office right now.

Here are photos of some of the murderers. Let’s hope one day we’ll be looking at their mug shots with all of them behind bars.

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37 Comments to “How is Charles Manson like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Jan Brewer, Bill O’Reilly, Sarah Palin, and Rush Limbaugh?”

  1. No, it looks like you’ve just tried another “false flag” operation, and a slanderous one at that.

    Loughner is reported to have been a “scary Left-wing political radical” by his ex-classmates and apparently had prior contact with the Rep in question.

    Both of those facts undermine your anti-American assertions and the second undermines the hypothesis that the rampage was motivated by anything on “the national stage.”

  2. …so Jonolan, let’s say Ben’s got it all wrong…do you have it within your scope of reason to imagine, that the rhetoric of Palin, Beck, Newt, and so on, would in any way incite more radical elements within their support base to acts of violence…?

    Are you saying that talk of hit list, bulls eyes and reloading are just words…?

    Are all the words coming out of these spokesperson’s mouths true?

    If Sarah’s Hit List Map was just a way of describing political opponents she wished peacefully removed via the ballot box from office, and it was all innocent – how come she removed the map replete with gun sights from her site…instead of standing up for what she thought was so right in the first place…?

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    • No; I don’t have it within my scope of imagination to stretch things that far from any proven reality. But then, I’m not engaged in trying to destroy America and replace it with Neo-Socialist hell-hole so have the luxury of relying on facts.

      As the Godless are so fond of saying, “critical thinking!” and “evidence!” There’s little or no historical evidence to back up any claims that rhetoric by the Right has incited violence and what evidence that there is is purely circumstantial with the perps already having reasons / rationales for violence.

      • [But then, I’m not engaged in trying to destroy America and replace it with Neo-Socialist hell-hole so have the luxury of relying on facts.]

        You’re brainwashed into believing that.

        First of all, America has already been destroyed by conservative policies. The banking sector was left to do as they pleased and they took down our economy. Reagan’s and Bush’s tax cuts gave us 14 trillion dollars in debt. All the outsourcing of our jobs gave very little job growth during the past ten years.

        [There’s little or no historical evidence to back up any claims that rhetoric by the Right has incited violence and what evidence that there is is purely circumstantial with the perps already having reasons / rationales for violence.]

        No, there’s plenty of evidence. The asshole that murdered George Tiller was an avid Fox viewer. Most of the right-wing anger today is based on lies coming out of right-wing pundits. And Loughner was definitely pushed over the edge by right-wing rhetoric.

        And jonolan, you too are partially to blame for buying into the right-wing propaganda.

      • The man who killed Tiller already had plenty of reason to do so. At most, FOX put Tiller in the spotlight. Shall we claim anyone who publicizes anyone whose actions are controversial is inciting violence?

        Furthermore, Loughner was – according to his ex-classmates – a “Leftist Radical” and he had more personal reasons / rationales for targeting Gifford as later evidence has shown. So, in this case, we can’t even make the claim that Gifford’s notoriety was partially to blame.

  3. …So are you saying that media has no effect, that it does not sway, that it does not cause people to take action…?

    Strange stance this…all the evidence anyone needs to observe about the effectiveness of a well designed media campaign, is the way every hour, and every day, countless businesses use media to get people to do what they might not have have otherwise done…

    Perhaps you have never studied or heard of Pavlov or Skinner…let me assure you, all of your heroes have…

    My money, if I were to bet, would be that the average advertiser knows something that apparently you fail to grasp – that a well formed and carefully placed media campaign is a highly effective way to generate results.

    Perhaps your brand of reason would benefit from a bit more imagination…of course you would only have need of such an imagination should you ever really care to engage with those who have different ideas than your own…something I have to imagine you want to do, or otherwise you would take your ideas elsewhere…

    • I’m saying that you overplay the effect that it has, especially when that active “actor” wasn’t even one of the “demographic” targeted by such campaigns as the Left is bemoaning.

      Of course reductio ad absurdum is a popular “argument” among ideologues and “philosophers” so there’s little or no point in continuing to waste words upon you.

  4. Wow you do know some powerful big words Jonolon and Latin too…I am so impressed.

    And now my simple questions to you are not only going unanswered, they have been reduced to the argument of a philosopher or an ideologue….

  5. Sure are steppin’ up the rhetoric for a “blame the rhetoric” kinda guy, aren’tcha Ben?

    • I’m just callin’ it like I see it.

      I wouldn’t have a problem with right-wing rhetoric if so much of it wasn’t based on lies. But you take away the lies, the anger, fear, and hatred and there’s nothing left other than selfishness in not wanting to pay for services the government provides, and that includes security.

      • I wouldn’t have a problem with right-wing rhetoric if so much of it wasn’t based on lies.

        I’m not a big Constitution quoter. I admit I’m relatively new to the whole political thang. However, I DO know that many Tea Party folks and right-wing folks LOVE to quote that document. So I’ll pick it only because it fits the “right-wing rhetoric” as you call it.

        I have two questions:

        1. Do you believe that the Constitution limits the power of the Federal Government? That is, is there something that the Federal Government could do, but if it did, it would exceed the powers granted to it by the Constitution.

        2. If you answered yes to the above, how do you define the line?

      • Of course the Constitution limits the power of the federal government. That’s part of the purpose of the Constitution — especially the Bill of Rights. And when there’s a question of a law’s constitutionality, the Supreme Court makes that determination. It’s a pretty well thought out document, which is why it has worked.

      • Of course the Constitution limits the power of the federal government. That’s part of the purpose of the Constitution — especially the Bill of Rights.

        I was just wondering; it doesn’t seem like you think it has a limit. Interesting that you think it does.

        And when there’s a question of a law’s constitutionality, the Supreme Court makes that determination. It’s a pretty well thought out document, which is why it has worked.

        Not really an answer to #2.

        Do you think the federal government can mandate that we all exercise 30 minutes a day?

      • [Do you think the federal government can mandate that we all exercise 30 minutes a day?]

        No, that would be cruel or unusual punishment. 🙂

  6. So that’s why you support Unconstitutional Liberal Agenda Items… 🙂

    -adopt an Illegal Alien

  7. A tad off-topic, but oh so sweet (and bound to elicit much sputtering from those you named Ben): Tom Delay was just sentanced to three years for fraud.

    There is a god.

    • Tom Delay was just sentanced to three years for fraud.

      There is a god.

      I agree. Criminals should be prosecuted and punished.

      • He’s out on bond and appealing. The money says he wont serve a day. Too bad.

      • No doubt right-wingers will claim the prosecution was all politically motivated.

      • Already happening Ben. See NRO.

      • Already happening Ben. See NRO.

        Reminds of of Charlie Rangel. He didn’t commit a crime either, did he?

      • What crime did he commit?

      • Rangle didn’t commit a crime. Again pino, false equivalence. Don’t defend Delay – you’re better than that. He is a very low life form

      • What crime did he commit?

        Is it illegal to not pay federal income taxes?

        Rangle didn’t commit a crime.

        He didn’t? Really? Serious?

        You are defending Rangel? You are better than that.

        Don’t defend Delay

        I’m not defending DeLay – I very clearly said he should be prosecuted and punished if found guilty. What I AM doing is attacking Rangel, and people who defend him – like you.

        You are either FOR justice or you aren’t. And by letting “your” guy off while celebrating “my” guy getting his, it seems clear what you do and don’t support.

      • [Is it illegal to not pay federal income taxes?]

        I would think that would make him a hero in your book. To right-wingers, “Taxes=bad” so not doing something that is bad should make him good.

      • pino – this equiivalency thing bothers me. Rangle v Delay is simply apples and oranges. All ‘crimes’ are not equal and I never defended Rangle, ever. I will, however, condemn Delay as long as I can remember his name. They got him on fraud (electoral fraud remember) but he’ll go to hell for his vile behavior covering up slavery in the Mariana’s Island because he apparently had a tee time. A vile vile man.

      • pino – this equiivalency thing bothers me.

        Look, I get it. The Left is pissed and stunned, STUNNED I tell you, that they are on their heels again. It wasn’t but 2 years ago that Barry was swept into office and the world was talking of a generation of Democrat control; 40 years at least. And in less than those two precious years, poof, gone.

        And so you go looking for something, ANYtthing, that you can use to attack the right. And you chose this. You chose a slaughter of innocent people in a town hall for your vehicle. And in the middle of it, you announce that you are glad that DeLay is sentenced to prison. And the only thing overshadowing your gladness in that is the fact that he’s a Republican.

        I never, not once, offered word one in defense of him. He was found guilty and was sentenced. He should go to jail. And when I mention some guy on the Blue team, well, then, we get all anxious and stuff. Rangel committed a crime too, hell, that crime was enough to put Capone away. Was Rangel’s infractions equivalent to DeLay’s? I don’t know, I don’t care. All I’m interested in is that guilty people get what’s comin.

      • [Look, I get it. The Left is pissed and stunned, STUNNED I tell you, that they are on their heels again. ]

        Not hardly. You right-wingers are the ones having a hissy-fit.

      • Not hardly. You right-wingers are the ones having a hissy-fit.

        While I suppose I break from the Right Wing when it comes to the death penalty, I am SURE that the event in Tucson and the response to it in the average republican household went something like this:

        “Damn, crazy bastard shot a bunch of people in Arizona! Killed a kid too!”

        “Hmm, well, I hope he gets the chair. Now, turn up the TV, I wanna see the crazy asshole.”

        There is no hand ringing on the right. There is no emotion or confusion. A Bat Shit crazy kid went nuts in a crowd of people. And he should get what’s comin’. The right is offended but calm.

        The Left? You are out of your skin nuts.

  8. Never mind that in 2008, Moulitsas (Daily Kos Founder), disappointed with Blue Dogs such as Giffords, had his own “target list” of “Democrats who sold out the Constitution.” Giffords was on the list in bold type. Moulitsas said: “Not all these people will get or even deserve primaries,” Moulitsas said, “but this certainly puts a bull’s-eye on their district.” Target? Bull’s-eye?
    WHOOPS!

    • Way to repeat right-wing talking points, little sheep. Most people, myself included, didn’t even know who Moulitsas was before you posted that. I suppose you’re going to tell me that he told people to reload and aim.

      • Way to repeat right-wing talking points

        Kettle, table for two! Kettle, table for two…..Your party, Pot is waiting….

        Most people, myself included, didn’t even know who Moulitsas was before you posted that.

        Most people don’t know that the founder of the Daily Kos is named Moulitas. Everyone knows the rag known as The Daily Kos.

        I suppose you’re going to tell me that he told people to reload and aim.

        Nah, Kos was too busy applauding the desire to throw the Governor of Florida against a wall and shoot him. You Leftists surely know how to preach the soft soothing tones of tolerance.

      • Sarah Palin was nearly our vice-president. Big difference. And she WAS the governor of Alaska. She has a big influence over a lot of sheep people.

      • First you rile up psychotics with inflammatory language about tyranny, betrayal, and taking back the country.

        Like this?

        You Have the Power: How to Take Back Our Country and Restore Democracy in America [Hardcover]
        Howard Dean

        Then you make easy for them to get guns.

        Pesky Constitution. I know you claim to limit the federal government’s power, but jeez, details.

        <iI don’t know if Loughner had health insurance, but he falls into a pool of people who often go uninsured—not young enough to be covered by parents (until the health-care bill’s coverage of twentysomethings kicked in a few months ago), not old enough for Medicare, not poor enough for Medicaid.

        Love the plug. However, if his parents want to cover him, they CAN. Before and after Obamacare. There is nothing stating that I can’t take out a health insurance policy on you, for example.

        she WAS the governor of Alaska.

        And dude WAS the congressman in Ohio. And now brother IS Governor of Florida. Either you are against speech or you aren’t. And you are against it. It’s okay. Admit it. I disagree with you but that’s okay.

  9. Jacob Weisberg summed it up nicely:

    First you rile up psychotics with inflammatory language about tyranny, betrayal, and taking back the country. Then you make easy for them to get guns. But if you really want trouble, you should also make it hard for them to get treatment for mental illness. I don’t know if Loughner had health insurance, but he falls into a pool of people who often go uninsured—not young enough to be covered by parents (until the health-care bill’s coverage of twentysomethings kicked in a few months ago), not old enough for Medicare, not poor enough for Medicaid. If such a person happens to have a history of mental illness, he will be effectively uninsurable. To get treatment, he actually has to commit a crime. If Republicans succeed in repealing the Obama health care bill, that’s how it will remain.

    Source

  10. [I am SURE that the event in Tucson and the response to it in the average republican household went something like this:

    “Damn, crazy bastard shot a bunch of people in Arizona! Killed a kid too!”]

    No, it probably went something like this…

    “Dang, Emma, somebody shot that Jew-lady. Ha! Was it Charlie? Fix them rabbit-ears and get me another beer.”

  11. You’re bigotry is obvious.

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