Is “Deem and Pass” As Unprecedented As Right-Wingers Claim?

by Ben Hoffman

Apparently not. Republicans used it in the past as have Democrats.

In fact, self-executing rules are relatively common in the House. For instance, the chamber employed the procedure on Feb. 3, 2010, to adopt a Senate amendment to a resolution concerning increasing the statutory limit on federal debt. The procedure was used 36 times by the House Republican leadership between 2005 and 2006 and 49 times by the Democratic leadership between 2007 and 2008, according to Brookings Institution congressional scholar Thomas Mann writing for Politico.

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Norm Ornstein, another leading congressional scholar with the conservative American Enterprise Institute, pointed out that the Republicans used a very similar tactic to what the Democrats are now proposing in 2006. At the time, they used a self-executing rule to pass $38.8 billion in budget cuts without having to vote on an immigration measure.

So, there’s a whole lot of precedence for the individual tactics Democrats are proposing to use, though the specific combination of a self-executing rule and reconciliation is a bit unusual, said Jim Horney, a budget expert at the left-leaning Center for Budget and Policy Priorities.

“There’s nothing about [the process] that’s dramatically at odds with the way things get done,” Horney said. “With almost every bill, you can find some way in which the circumstances are a little different. But to imply that it’s somehow a big departure from the way things are done could be wrong.”

Source

But of course, PolitiFact.com is a liberal site since reality has a liberal bias. 🙂

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14 Comments to “Is “Deem and Pass” As Unprecedented As Right-Wingers Claim?”

  1. Apparently not. Republicans used it in the past as have Democrats.

    I totally agree. This has been used in the past by both parties.

    I wonder if it has ever been used for such a contentious bill and been voted on down party lines like this? I get the feeling that this rule is in place to allow members of congress to pass bills they “know they have to” but not have it on their record.

    Kinda like voting present.

    • I get the feeling that this rule is in place to allow members of congress to pass bills they “know they have to” but not have it on their record.

      As in, everyone knows that they have to raise the budget limit, but they ALL know they don’t wanna be on record for that extension. As such, they all agree, wink wink, and the party in charge initiates the procedure and they all follow suit. I think in the past it’s been used with the tacit agreement of both parties.

  2. If Obama-care is so super wonderful, why do they have to use deem and pass ? It’s easy to say Republicans did it too, but not on an issue this big . Besides Democrats campaigned on transparency, did they not ? They said, no more sleazy deals . Things were going to change once they took over . ‘Just throw Republicans out and we’ll clean up this town .’

    Why all of the earmark bribes ? Why push the cadilac plan tax back to when Obama is out of office ? Why all of the things Pelosi, Obama, and Reid said they would not do ?

    Does anything these folks say have any meaning ? No one on this board can answer these questions .

    Why are Democrats allowed to use our tax money to bribe each other ?

  3. Mr. Hoffman,

    ” Because that’s how things work in Washington. If they don’t play the game, they don’t get anything done. ”

    It is a-m-a-z-i-n-g how moral you guys talked while you were trying to acquire power . Once you got it the full moon came out and the hair began to grow on your palms and on your eyebrows, your fangs and ears got really long .

    When we get back in to power and you complain about us, I will post your own words .

    As far as playing the game crooked and getting anything done, your side is a great argument against what you just said . Other than running deficits, raising taxes, constantly lying about the numbers of Obama-care, and demonizing American Companies, it is hard to list what they have gotten done .

    Contrast this with Reagan’s first year in office . AND Reagan had a House controlled by the opposition party . Obama had huge majorities in both Houses such as I cannot remember in my life time .

    Reagan got tax cuts and indexed them to inflation with the ERTA legislation of 1981 . Reagan made deals with southern Democrats in the House to get what he needed . Contrast that with your hero, who called Republicans in , took some of their lesser points, declared that he compromised and told Republicans to go screw themselves because he had all the power . As Nancy said, ” we won. ”

    I think a lot of it was that Reagan could be trusted . Even if you hated what he said, you knew he believed what he said . President Obama will say anything to get what he wants and even his own party knows it . Even you cannot believe that his figures on the cost of Obama-care are true ? Or do you ? Or is this lying just how you play the game to get things done ? Like taking $500billion from medicare and accounting for it twice . If only Bernie Madoff had been in the Senate, he would not be in jail .

    • [It is a-m-a-z-i-n-g how moral you guys talked while you were trying to acquire power .]

      Straw-man argument. We elected Democrats to fix the problems facing our country, most of which were created by Republicans. But compared to most Republicans, Obama is an angel.

  4. Mr. Hoffman,

    ” Straw-man argument. We elected Democrats to fix the problems facing our country, most of which were created by Republicans. But compared to most Republicans, Obama is an angel. ”

    As the saying goes, “the devil is in the details “. You make broad statements, accuse me of making false arguments aka. straw men, but you give no examples of what you are talking about .

    I will give you an example which I happened to see in yesterday’s Wall St. Journal . I may not be totally accurate because I am doing this by memory .

    If you take the US and Canada and ask why didn’t Canada’s housing market blow up like the US market did, there are a number of reasons . I know you will say that Republicans did not control Canada .

    While Canada’s economy is smaller, our countries are more similar than different . The Journal’s point was that Canada did not have Fannie and Freddie, two politically corrupt GSEs goosing the housing market . Those two entities are firmly in your camp.

    • [The Journal’s point was that Canada did not have Fannie and Freddie, two politically corrupt GSEs goosing the housing market . ]

      No, that was the opinion of a right-wing editorialist who was published in the WSJ, and I doubt he’s an economist. I have yet to see a credible economist or really any economist say the collapse of our economy was due at all to Fannie and Freddie. Who was the author?

  5. So, did they drop deem and pass because they didn’t have the votes or because they have the votes?

  6. Mr. Hoffman,

    ” Correction, they’re still working on getting the votes. They’re currently 10 votes shy. ”

    You must be watching Fox . 🙂

    Every time I watch any of the other Obama lapdog media Obama flips another Congressman and is with in 1 or 2 votes of winning . You watch Fox and I’ll watch MSNBC, that way we can both be depressed .

    • [You watch Fox and I’ll watch MSNBC]

      I don’t have a cable box in my office so I can’t watch MSNBC while I’m working, and I can’t watch Fox because it’s really annoying. Funny how you get Fox “news” with basic cable but you don’t get MSNBC. Must be that “liberal bias” at work.

  7. Looks like they have the votes, but they want to pad it a little just in case. Voting begins at 6:15 EDT.

  8. Mr. Hoffman,

    ” Funny how you get Fox “news” with basic cable but you don’t get MSNBC. Must be that “liberal bias” at work. ”

    You mean that you will miss the collective orgasm Monday night from Mathews,Schultz,Olbermann, and Maddow ?

    What I find interesting is how GE is now swerving to the right . This has been the most left wing of the evil Corporate giants . GE makes a lot of the wind turbines that are dependent on the green corporate welfare you guys are in love with . Their credit division, I believe got some of the bailout money .

    They own MSNBC . Now they have it and some other properties for sale . They were running adds on right wing talk radio bragging about how proud they are to have a lot of Veterans working for them . Now they are running adds bragging about how in the distant past Ronald Reagan was a spokesman for them .

    I’m not sure yet if any of this has meaning or not . I’m just perhaps feeling a slight tremor rippling through the dark side of the force .

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