Panic In Right-Wing America

by Ben Hoffman

Rush Limbaugh was rushed to the hospital yesterday after suffering chest pains. He was listed in serious condition last night but appears to be okay. Millions of right-wingers breathed a sigh of relief.

Right-wingers, incapable of forming their own opinions, look to Rush to tell them what to do and think. While Glenn Beck has recently become the leader of many dito-heads – the teabaggers, for example — many still look to Limbaugh to fill the gap between their ears.

Without pundits like Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and O’Reilly, right-wingers would still be angry and scared, but they wouldn’t have talking points to direct at liberals and would probably be just blogging grunts and groans.

Many Republican politicians also get their opinions from Limbaugh, which makes him a very powerful presence in America. Republicans are the party of polarization, not reconciliation. But without him, Republicans might actually decide to work with Democrats to make our country better.

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105 Comments to “Panic In Right-Wing America”

  1. Ben – I need your help. Trying to find TEXASTRAILERPARK blog. I mistakenly deleted a few days of posts this morning (too stupid to sleep without supervision); she’d commented and I want to get back to her but can’t find a way. You have the address?

  2. ALL right wingers look to Beck, and Rush, in your opinion?

  3. [Without pundits like Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and O’Reilly, right-wingers would still be angry and scared, but they wouldn’t have talking points to direct at liberals and would probably be just blogging grunts and groans.]

    Too true. My brother has been listening to the fat ignorant one for almost 20 years; he eventually came to believe that the rest of his family were enemies. We no longer speak. It’s tragic and I think it goes on all over the country. I miss my brother and goddamn Rush Limbaugh.

    • I was a right-winger until the early 90s but I didn’t listen to Limbaugh because I knew the things he said were lies or distortions. I was more against the political correctness of the times, which I saw as being bad for our country.

      • I was born moral. I was a liberal type person in the 80’s, but I sing well, and my morals didnt mesh with them. I got turned down for MANY parts in NYC, S.F., just because they are way too political.

        In my opinion, I feel America is just all over the place, no one goal that has any unity. It is def. not the America I grew up with.

        As far as ‘liberals’, as I said, I dont really have an issue with the charitable type. I am like that myself, but the FAR left is all messed up. Kids are messed up, parents are messed up, and I totally believe that the far left has screwed this nation up royally.
        The conservatives who SHOULD have represented values represent zero.
        “Christians” that loved the Jewish people are now viscious anti-semites. So, none can be trusted, and only G-d is the one that I can trust at this point.
        Shalom,
        Happy New Year.

      • Didn’t know you considered yourself a right-winger back then, Ben. Interesting!

    • I am sorry for the loss of your brother Moe. I face similar situations with family that still hold magic books and fairy tales dear 😦

      right-wingers would still be angry and scared, but they wouldn’t have talking points to direct at liberals

      The level of discourse is disparaging to say the least. Rational debate of issues has been on the political and academic back-burner so long it seems like it is almost a forgotten art.

  4. Too true. My brother has been listening to the fat ignorant one for almost 20 years.
    Rush Limbaugh is a total liberl moonbat. Monotone and BORING.
    Beck is an historian. As for liberals, in general, I like real ones that are charitable with their OWN money and not mine, like Bush and Obla bla.

    NONE of these people are right enough for me. I want America as it wasz in the 1950’s. Pretty, clean and without all of the p.c. speak.

    • (Pardon my typing) I broke my middle finger…the one used for purposes that are often mistaken for rudeness.

    • [Beck is an historian.]

      Beck is crazy.

      [I want America as it was in the 1950’s. Pretty, clean and without all of the p.c. speak.]

      That’s the glamorized version of the 50s. There was widespread racism, antisemitism, and don’t forget the fear of communism with the McCarthy era witch hunts. We had a good president in Eisenhower, though.

      • That’s the glamorized version of the 50s. There was widespread racism, antisemitism,
        —————-No cross burnings in NYC 🙂 -in the 50’s. The racism was not up north. So, I didnt see this, neither did my family. We naturally segregated, because we LIKED it. I like people with MY ideas, b/c I dont like arguing, physically speaking.

        Black folks naturally segregate, so do Mexican folks, Asians, Jews, Christians etc..it is a human thing.

        Most of this nation was not under all of this blemish as you are suggesting. AT LEAST we were patriotic and didnt protest while troops were in harms way to make our nation look like a bunch of blithering morons.

        McCarthy? Maybe so, but I can vouch we would not have avowed communists in our administration, communism is NOT an American ideal. It is foreign, and sick.

        Metzenbaum- avowed communist
        Cass Sunstein-Marxist

        There are plenty, and this has NO place in this country.
        Beck crazy?
        I dont think so. He is a sweet man.

      • [McCarthy? Maybe so, but I can vouch we would not have avowed communists in our administration, communism is NOT an American ideal. It is foreign, and sick.]

        What about the communes in Israel? That’s communism, and it actually works pretty well.

      • [No cross burnings in NYC 🙂 -in the 50’s. The racism was not up north.]

        There might not have been much racism in NYC, but it was pretty widespread throughout the rest of the state. I grew up in a small town in NY and there was a lot of racism.

    • You want America as it was in the ’50’s? That America was a fiction. The things that disturb us today were hidden from us then.

      I never saw a black person or knew a Jew till I was in college. Was that any kind of reality? The media told me everyone in America was just like me.

  5. Ben, Dear, they arent reporting ‘lies’
    The whole silly FOX M.O. is;
    “We report, you decide”

    I’d like to call Poe on this one. Although, given the other posts so far, maybe not.

    • [call Poe] Translation Arb?

      • Sorry Moe I should have hyperlinked. I got lazy on the the last day of the year.

        From the Rational Wiki Poe’s Law states that:

        “Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won’t mistake for the real thing.”

        I was hoping that MJ’s statements were intentionally brimming with mendacious, risible casuistry. I fear that is not that case :>

      • Oh Arb, I think you’ve read that right. I don’t think there’s anything that would please our new friend.

  6. Most of this nation was not under all of this blemish as you are suggesting. AT LEAST we were patriotic and didnt protest while troops were in harms way to make our nation look like a bunch of blithering morons.

    Dissent? Yes, what a horrible feature of democratic society. We should quash that immediately.

    Black folks naturally segregate, so do Mexican folks, Asians, Jews, Christians etc..it is a human thing.

    Fantastic. What a nice way of saying that racism is okay, because it is natural.

    Return to the back of the bus please you coloured folk, you like it there anyways; its natural.

    • Fantastic. What a nice way of saying that racism is okay, because it is natural.
      ——————— What is the preoccupation with the black folks?
      Don’t we now have a BLACK President?

      Do you REALIZE that there are over 40,000 reverse discrimination cases that are not being heard?
      You need to get with the times, that pot smoking sometimes leaves that 60’s crowd way behind.
      😉

  7. It’s very difficult to read Ben’s posts as 99% of them are just like this: “Most do. I have yet to find any that look to legitimate news sources for their news”.
    As ALWAYS not a single factual back-up. Continually railing on Beck and Limbaugh … but never offering facts to discount what they, especially Beck claims. I never listen to either on the radio; (I actually have a full-time job, inspite of his ‘lowness’ Obama. Anyone with any intelligence can look at this blog and discover that very little of it contains actual facts. Blathering that Reagan and Bush caused the financial crises … gawd, how freaking naive can one get.
    Ben, have a great New Year, and I look forward to seeing you around. I just might take a break from this thing for awhile … dunno yet. Take good care my friend.

    • [Blathering that Reagan and Bush caused the financial crises … gawd, how freaking naive can one get.]

      No, actually I mainly blame Republicans in Congress during the late 90s and Clinton for signing their wrong-headed legislation. I’ve said that time and time again.

      [I just might take a break from this thing for awhile … dunno yet.]

      I’ve started a tennis blog and I’m going to try being a sports reporter along with everything else.

      • There might not have been much racism in NYC, but it was pretty widespread throughout the rest of the state. I grew up in a small town in NY and there was a lot of racism.
        ————————-WE didnt have ANY racism in the Hamptons in Long Island. None.
        Racism was contained to ‘small, sleepy little towns in the south, said Vernon Johns.’
        The racism is directed AT WHITE PEOPLE now.
        Why are illegal people allowed to march on DC with their Mexican flags, and people are soooo offended by the Confederate Flag that is a part of AMERICAN history.
        Mexican Flag- OK.
        Confederate Flag-NO GOOD.
        Forced integration on WHITES, but it is NOT forced on black folks, Mexican folks, Asian Folks- ETC.
        IT ISNT.
        148 different languages in Queens, LI, NY- where white folks are now 28% of the polulus.
        White people KICKED OUT of their own cities.
        Minorities ruling.
        This nation is ****OVER***
        NO OTHER NATION allows minorities to rule, except for America, the most screwed up, dumbed down nation in the planet.
        Us Jewish folks have taken up the cause of the downtrodden, the downtrodden now, are Christians, and WHITE PEOPLE, PERIOD.

  8. Ben and Steve better get a room! Happy New Year guys.

  9. Ben Hoffman, do you even KNOW about the stats on black on white crime?
    DO YOU? OR the stats on Mexicans on white crime?
    DO YOU?
    DO YOU EVEN CARE?

    • Madjewess, those kind of statistics usually are buried. The electing of Obama as president was going to ‘turn the tide’ of racism and it’s done nothing of the sort, as now the racism is amost exclusively directed towards whites.

      • Steve, I know all too well the effects of racism & anti-semitism <(on the net, Jew-hate)

        I went to go get employment in NYC when I first got back.
        Straight up, they told me;
        "Sorry, we have enough white people and we are an E.O.E."

        My very good friend, a German Jewish man, VERY handsome got told FLAT OUT;
        "Are you going to cause issues with my Mexican laborers?"

        He is JEWISH. He takes up for mentally handicapped people, the nicest person.. and this guy ASSUMED.
        It is not even 'assumption' it is RACISM, PERIOD.

        And the only news that reports it are 'white-power' sites, which EVERYONE ALREADY dismisses, instead of just taking the stats and SHOWING THE WORLD!

        Black on white crime SUPERCEDES any crimes that were EVER done against blacks or Mexicans in America-EVER.

        Does the FAR LEFT EVER reoprt over 30,000 Americans MURDERED on our borders since 9/11? HELL NO!

        I hear a word….Words, like Obla bla says…words.
        R*E*T*R*I*B*U*T*I*O*N* for white people and an APOLOGY to the white community for kicking their CHRISTIANITY out of their OWN nation, and acting like they are the terrorists!!!!!!

        I THANK G-d that I am NOT a liberal anymore, they are elite SNOTS…
        Except these people here…of course 😉

      • I’m honestly shocked at you, Steve, and Madjewess. “Racism is almost exclusively directed toward whites.” Are you joking? Who’s being naive now??? I’m sorry, but whites are not “downtrodden”. They still run this country. They are not a minority that needs to be protected.

        And madjewess, when you say “Mexicans on white crime”, I’m sure you’re referring to all Hispanics, am I right? You know they don’t all come from Mexico, right?

  10. Sleepy, you read NOTHING of what I said,

    • Also, SLEEPY, spare me the P.C. I KNOW who hangs their flag all over CALI, it is the MEXICAN flag, not Guatemala, not Niceragua, Uruguay, Paraguay, Columbia, Peru flag- ETC..
      Yeah RIGHT, whites own everything while they are being MURDERED:

      –Blacks murder Whites at 18 times the rate Whites murder Blacks. —————-

      The rare white-on-black attack is always ‘front page’ and featured coverage by most news media.
      (Can we hear BIAS?)

      The Color of Crime – “Blacks are statistically 50 times more likely to attack whites than vice versa”

      Well, since you all REFUSE to see this atrocity, you will have to wake the heck up;

      Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than Whites, although they comprise only one-seventh of the White population.

      Some 90% of the victims of race crimes are Whites.

      About 1 million Whites were murdered, robbed, assaulted, or raped by Blacks in 1992.

      More than 1,600 Whites are murdered by Blacks each year.

      In the last 30 years, 170 million violent and nonviolent crimes were committed by Blacks against Whites in the U.S.

      http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html

      Illegal Murders:
      http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103
      Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily
      Posted: November 28, 2006

      I dont know… I dont know when you folks will WAKE UP.
      You will either start PROTECTING American whites, or sit back and PRETEND that this is not existing.

      • Madjewess, you shouldn’t confuse those on the left with facts.

        99% of the time the you’ll get name calling, etc. as their defense. Like “Beck is crazy”. “Limbaugh is a liar”. I think that ‘sleepygirl’ should awaken from her slumber, because very soon (if she’s white) she’s gonna be a minority in America.

        The statistics you’ve provided here doesn’t mean much to people that probably don’t give a damn.

  11. The quality of trolling is sadly going down for the new year.

    Other MJ quotes skipped due to lack of coherence

    Black on white crime SUPERCEDES any crimes that were EVER done against blacks or Mexicans in America-EVER.

    Really? Wow, racism denial, take that History. I guess it was the white slaves that were hung, tortured and worked to death on black plantations in the American south.

    Does the FAR LEFT EVER reoprt over 30,000 Americans MURDERED on our borders since 9/11? HELL NO!

    Non-sequitur gormless, baseless allegation.

    • Non-sequitur gormless, baseless allegation.
      Says ARB.
      I gave you the stats to show you that an atrocity is taking place.
      This is NO liberal blog, you have lost your roots, and are no longer a help to people being murdered just for being white.
      Shalom, have a nice life.. I never knew that debating on a blog was ‘trolling’

      -Those who cannot debate, defame.
      Rabbi Kahane

      • [The rare white-on-black attack is always ‘front page’ and featured coverage by most news media.]

        If that were true, it would be because it IS rare. Dog bites man doesn’t make the news. Man bites dog makes the news.

        But it’s not true.

      • Rabbi Kahane? Wow. He was calling for violent action all over the USA. Eventually, I believe he was actually banned from our shores.

  12. Mr. Hoffman,

    You guys really kick a man when he is down. I bet you’d throw a party if Mr. Limbaugh had terminal cancer.

    As far as Rush telling people what to think, that is simply untrue. No one is forced to tune in to talk radio. Unlike the brain washing that goes on in public schools and some Minnesota Colleges. People listen to Rush because he echos their already firmly held beliefs.

    He clarifies what they already know and points out the lies of Obama’s lapdog media.

    “I was a right-winger until the early 90s but I didn’t listen to Limbaugh because I knew the things he said were lies or distortions. I was more against the political correctness of the times, which I saw as being bad for our country.”

    This defies belief. Most liberals are lifelong from childhood. Liberalism is a disease of the young. The old that still have it simply were never cured. Conservatism is generally picked up after the brain has matured.

    • The meaning of conservatism has changed. It used to mean cautious and resistant to change. Now it means reckless and aggressive foreign policy, extreme nationalism, and doing anything for the party, no mater what the consequence to the country. It means not working with Democrats no matter what. The only thing Republicans are interested in when we have a Democratic president is bringing down that presidency. That is un-American. Republicans would like to see our country attacked so they can blame Democrats for being “weak,” even though they are the ones who are weak and scared. Conservatism has become an ideology of emotion, and overly emotional people are generally irrational. Conservatism is the ideology of the addle-minded.

      • I have ZERO idea of what you are talking about, Ben.
        You have completely missed the mark, and dismissed what is happening to our nation, and what is sad, is you purposefully did this.

  13. Mr. Hoffman,

    “The meaning of conservatism has changed. It used to mean cautious and resistant to change.” Change is a meaningless word when you give it no context. All of us hate change when we view it as destructive. You guys hated the change that Reagan and Bush brought. We hate the change Obama and Clinton brought.

    “Now it means reckless and aggressive foreign policy, extreme nationalism, and doing anything for the party, no mater what the consequence to the country. It means not working with Democrats no matter what.”

    The way Democrats used every setback in Afghanistan and Iraq to score political points and make us lose 2 wars. The way Democrats worked with Bush over 8 years. 🙂

    Waiting to be attacked before taking action has caused more wars and death historically. Examples.:

    1905 Russia suffers defeat at the hands of Japan by not attacking first during Russo-Japanese war.

    1939 Great Britain and France lose opening phase of WW2 by not taking out Germany early.

    1941 Russia loses opening phase of WW2 by waiting for Hitler to attack first.

    1941 Dec.7, US loses all of it’s Pacific Fleet Battleships by waiting for Japan to attack first.

    Sept. 11, 2001 The US suffers it’s worst terrorist attack by not being at war with terrorists who were at war with us.

    2009, Barak Obama becomes President. Goes around the world projecting weakness by apologizing for American greatness. Believes he can talk the Iranians in to peace like Chamberlin did with Adolf Hitler. Effects so far, one near miss on Christmas day.

    “The only thing Republicans are interested in when we have a Democratic president is bringing down that presidency. That is un-American. Republicans would like to see our country attacked so they can blame Democrats for being “weak,” even though they are the ones who are weak and scared.”

    You are projecting,,,,,again.

    Anyway,, you will be happy, I’m sure to hear that Rush Limbaugh is being released from The Queen’s Medical Center and did not have a heart attack.

    It really could be a happy New Year. 🙂

    • [The way Democrats used every setback in Afghanistan and Iraq to score political points and make us lose 2 wars. The way Democrats worked with Bush over 8 years.]

      The Democrats voted to allow Bush to go to war and then they approved every single dollar he requested to fight that war.

      The wars we lost? Which ones would those be?

  14. Democrats are terrible traitors, Republicans are corrupt.

    If you support EITHER, you are just another # in the Yes We Can Camp.

    Rabbi Meir Kahane did no such thing. He was banned from Israel, they did not want the right wing taking over and then he was assassinated by Al Sayid Nosair.

    If we didnt have Rabbi Kahane, we silly Jews would be at the mercy of the far left, who, at this point in time, call us little Jews;
    Kikes, Dirty JudenRat, Aparteid Supporters, Zion-Nazis, Zio-fascists- bla bla bla, and back in history we go- so, every Jew a .22.
    Blessed be the memory of Rabbi Kahane.

    • Obama is doing every thing he can to stop the “settlements”, and turn Israel’s land over to the Palestinians; just an example of the far left’s agenda for Israel.

      • Steve, right, he is already monitoring Jewish births in Israel;
        http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/obama_lethal_for_israel/

        Also, this “Israel is a bully” crap is just overdone.
        4 years of rockets, and Israel is NOT, not, Not** allowed to defend itself.
        You Jews just deal with the bombs in your backyard- said Ehud Olmert.

        People think G-d can just be screwed with and G-d has no rights over his OWN words;
        “I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you”

        Sharon and Bush shook hands and gave away 10,000 Israeli-Jewish settlers homes, after they lived there for 30-40 years- Israel had over 10,000 refugees, and within 10 days, we suffered Katrina with over 100,000 refugees.
        We had better stay OUT of Israel now. Should Iran attack, let THEM sort this out.

      • Guys:

        Israel and Gaza etc are far from a settled question. Even in Israel. Take a look at this column in the Jerusalem Post from yesterday: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1261364551818&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull

        Fast outtake from the column :

        “The question we have to ask ourselves is this: If anybody treated us like we’re treating the people in Gaza, what would we do? We don’t want to go there, do we? And because we don’t, we make it our business not to see, hear or think about how, indeed, we are treating the people in Gaza. ”

        And as I’m sure you know, The J Post is a pretty hardline Likud paper.

  15. Oh, the ‘tolerance-fariness’ crap does not work in Israel, Kahane was right, the Knesset was wrong, and had we Kahane in Israel as a P.M., there would be * NO * American foreign aid.

    Islamic-Militant nations do not understand ‘tolerance’ they only understand strength. So, Israel screwed up bigtime, by banning Kahane, and most leaders know that now, except self-hating Turi-Kartas, and J-street.

  16. Ms. Holland,

    “The wars we lost? Which ones would those be?”

    You caught me in a typo error. I should have added the word “trying” as in Democrats trying to make us lose two wars. Of course, I was half right wasn’t I? Your boy Senator Harry Reid said that the Iraq War was lost in 2007.

    “The wars we lost surely doesn’t include FDR’s WWII? Damn those democrats.”

    Since you brought up WW2 and FDR, how about those internment camps for Japanese Americans? Wait, wait I got a better one. The military trials and executions of Nazi saboteurs in 1942. How very unObama like of old Franklin. He outBushed Bush. I think we should proclaim him an honorary Republican, at least as a war time President.

    • [Harry Reid said that the Iraq War was lost in 2007]

      We “won the war” on May 1, 2003, but we beat a country that was weak and of no real threat to us, so I wouldn’t claim that as much of a victory. We’ve been occupiers of Iraq ever since, in which time we’ve lost nearly 4,000 troops, about a trillion dollars, and our standing in world affairs. I’m not sure what we’ve won.

      • Ben is absolutely correct. The last number of years we’ve been in Iraq as ‘guests’ of the Iraqis – whether they want us or not. Some do. Some don’t. But the ‘war’ is over.

    • [Since you brought up WW2 and FDR, how about those internment camps for Japanese Americans?]

      It was wrong. He was wrong. It was un-American and a serious breach of our Constitution that protects all citizens. And all persons in the ocuntry citizen or not.

      Why would you think that because FDR did it, it must be okay for Bush to do it?

      • Moo, you have no balance. You are not looking at all avenues. Christians in Palestine totally blame HAMAS, NOT Israel. HAMAS is the problem, not innocent Palis, and not Jews. Jews believe life is a gift, they dont go on an offense. In 08, they had had ENOUGH rockets.

        27 Dec 2009
        Since the end of the Gaza Operation, 127 rockets and 70 mortar shells have been fired into Israel. This is in sharp contrast to the period leading up to the operation, in which almost 3000 missiles were fired from the Gaza Strip against Israeli cities.

        Since the end of the IDF operation in Gaza (18 Jan 2009), 668,393 tons of aid and 100,645,680 liters of fuel have been delivered to the Gaza Strip.

        1,750 rockets and 1,528 mortar bombs fired from the Gaza Strip struck southern Israel in 2008.
        From IICC report: Rocket and mortar shell fire from the Gaza Strip continues as the Palestinian terrorist organizations’ preferred form of attack. In 2007, 896 hits were identified in Israeli territory, compared with 946 in 2006, the year with the largest number. The trend continues in 2008. In May 2007 alone Palestinians launched some 300 Kassam rockets from Gaza at Sderot and the western Negev. Hamas openly claimed responsibility for the attack.

        http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Missile+fire+from+Gaza+on+Israeli+civilian+targets+Aug+2007.htm

      • How would YOU feel, Moe, if every single night you had to hear rockets from terrorist? EVERY NIGHT?
        If you are for minorities, you cant just pick and choose.
        The PROBLEM IS HAMAS. Even the PLO have told Hamas- STOP THE ROCKETS.

      • [Since you brought up WW2 and FDR, how about those internment camps for Japanese Americans?]

        It was wrong. He was wrong. It was un-American and a serious breach of our Constitution that protects all citizens. And all persons in the ocuntry citizen or not
        ——————-No, it was not ‘wrong’ it protected us. It protected the American Japanese. We are different now…we protect the Muslims and hang the AMERICANS out to dry, thank to the FAR LEFT.

  17. Again madjewess, don’t confuse the left with facts. The funniest part of Ben’s last comment … “our standing in world affairs”. Typical liberal take; so not wanting to hurt anyone’s feelings; even when they want to kill you.
    It behooves America “very big time” to protect Israel.
    “I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you”. Folks need to consider that.

    • [“I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you”. Folks need to consider that.]

      God needs to go back to grammar school. It should be: “I will bless those WHO bless you and curse those WHO curse you.”

      • God needs to go back to grammar school. It should be: “I will bless those WHO bless you and curse those WHO curse you.”
        ———–You are having a hate-fest with God, eh?
        Whats your issue, Ben?
        Thats all that you have to say is some remark like this?
        You are also Jewish. Are you one of the people that will turn on your people just to live, as that happened in Nazi Germany and in Soviet Russia?

      • [Whats your issue, Ben?]

        I think it’s funny that people think God actually dictated a book to Moses. And also that people get angry over a joke like that and from that joke, make an assumption like this:

        “Are you one of the people that will turn on your people just to live, as that happened in Nazi Germany and in Soviet Russia?”

        Actually, it’s not really that funny. People like you are filled with hatred, fear, prejudice, and unhealthy nationalism, which is exactly the kind of emotionally charged atmosphere that made it possible for Hitler to rise to power and for the Holocaust to occur.

    • Steve;
      VICTIMS OF THE SOVIET REGIME
      Lenin shut down a far higher percentage of synagogues than either churches or mosques.
      The only Jews who were accepted were those who rejected Judaism and Zionism. Those who refused were declared Enemy of the People, subject to extermination.
      —————And also, the situation in Israel is not much different than now;
      M.L.K. on Zionism;
      “Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism”

      “. . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely ‘anti-Zionist.’ And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God’s green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews–this is God’s own truth.

      “Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism”
      – Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

  18. Mr. Hoffman,

    “We’ve been occupiers of Iraq ever since, in which time we’ve lost nearly 4,000 troops, about a trillion dollars, and our standing in world affairs. I’m not sure what we’ve won.”

    History will show what we won and that Bush was right. Those overseas who don’t like us for what Bush did are not worth caring about.

    Ms. Holland,

    “It was wrong. He was wrong. It was un-American and a serious breach of our Constitution that protects all citizens. And all persons in the ocuntry citizen or not.

    Why would you think that because FDR did it, it must be okay for Bush to do it?”

    Please do not confuse the facts. I listed two separate un liberal things that FDR did. The first was the Japanese American internment camps, which I can understand under the pressure of war, but that history has judged to be wrong. President George W. Bush did nothing of that kind. Please do not say he did.

    The second was very different. Roosevelt had military courts convened to try Nazi saboteurs that had landed from German Submarines. The poor Nazi spies were not treated Obamalike and given rights and lawyers. They were found guilty and some were executed. And they had not even killed anyone.

    This is what I compared to Bush’s military tribunals of captured enemy combatants and terrorists. In fact FDR would roll over in his grave and bite his cigarette holder in half if he could see what your hero Obama is giving these poor terrorists in terms of Constitutional rights.

    • Alan: And the 400 or so released from Gitmo by the Bush aministration? Were they terrorists we rereleased back into the world? Or innocent people? Like the two who were returned to Yemen to organize the Christmas attack?

  19. Ben, you have read absolutely ZERO.
    Actually, it’s not really that funny. People like you are filled with hatred, fear, prejudice, and unhealthy nationalism, which is exactly the kind of emotionally charged atmosphere that made it possible for Hitler to rise to power and for the Holocaust to occur.
    —————-The people that get murdered in genocides are the people that REFUSE to renounce God, BEN. The HATRED AND RACISM is directed AT Jews, White people and CHRISTIANS.
    You can ramble on and on with the crap, but this is fact**********************************
    VICTIMS OF THE SOVIET REGIME
    Lenin shut down a far higher percentage of synagogues than either churches or mosques.
    The only Jews who were accepted were those who rejected Judaism and Zionism. Those who refused were declared Enemy of the People, subject to extermination.
    *****************************
    The only “HATERS” are the people that are NOT seeing what is happening, and chose to pretend it is not there. That would be YOU, Ben

  20. ‘unhealthy nationalism’ in my book is called PATRIOTISM, love of country.
    If you really think that I ‘love’ what Bush AND Obama have done and Obama IS doing makes me “Nationalistic” Then you read zer, and just assume with insufferable presumption.

    • [Then you read zer, and just assume with insufferable presumption.]

      Is that anything like thufferin’ thuccotash? 🙂

    • Go to the dictionary. Nationalism and Patriotism are NOT the same thing.

      • Nationalism;
        Devotion to the interests or culture of one’s nation.

        Patriotism;
        devoted love, support, and defense of one’s country; national loyalty.
        Both one and the same. I am devoted to keeping America, AMERICAN.

        ——NAZI- National “SOCIALISM” Totally different.

      • The definition of nationalism that you’ve chosen is the second of five below. These are from Dictionary.com, a division of ask.com.

        And these are NOT the same thing.

        PATRIOTISM (they show only the one definition)
        devoted love, support, and defense of one’s country; national loyalty.

        NATIONALISM (they show five definitions)
        1. national spirit or aspirations.
        2. devotion and loyalty to one’s own nation; Patriotism.
        3. excessive patriotism; chauvinism.
        4. the desire for national advancement or independence.
        5. the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one’s own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.

      • Moe, none of that is wrong. NONE of it.
        Why do you think AMERICA as it WAS, was a terrible place?
        Did your parents teach you that?
        Mine didnt, and I couldnt be brainwashed in school by people that would incessively put my nation down.

        America WAS the best nation this world has ever seen, until 1962, when they gave God the boot.
        Since we gave God the boot, we have had nothing but violence begetting violence, disrespect for elders, teen pregnancy, drugs, abortions, homosexuality run rampant, kids that only acheive 55% of the normal grade level, (now they only teach kids to just get the best grade they can get instead of being a winner)

        The founding fathers of this nation sought to provide equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.

        Either definition; (I put mine in short, I see the bandwidth) are NOT wrong.

        But, it is all wrong now. ALL WRONG.

    • [Why do you think AMERICA as it WAS, was a terrible place? Did your parents teach you that? . . . brainwashed in school by people that would incessively put my nation down.]

      That is perfect nonsense. My parents went to war and I was educated by Catholic nuns.

      You make a lot of assumptions MJ.

  21. Interesting thread – from Limbaugh’s chest pains to Russia to antisemitism to cartoon characters!

    • Its a crazy gift that Jews have to combine comedy with tragedy. Silly aint it?
      I think its kinda cute..
      Ben has a good heart, I just dont agree with 75% of his political beliefs.

  22. Alright, but is it a gift or a need?! 🙂

  23. That is perfect nonsense. My parents went to war and I was educated by Catholic nuns.

    You make a lot of assumptions MJ.

    ————-I only ASKED you if that is what your parents taught you.
    It is true that it is taught to hate America, hate everything that made us great… Well, I dont buy it, TY.

  24. Since we gave God the boot, we have had nothing but violence begetting violence, disrespect for elders, teen pregnancy, drugs, abortions, homosexuality run rampant, kids that only acheive 55% of the normal grade level, (now they only teach kids to just get the best grade they can get instead of being a winner)

    So hanging on to magic books and magic men would fix all this? I highly doubt that assertion. Religion often breeds intolerance and violence and is anti-science, anti-modern and anti-progress.

    So, let us not misidentify religion as the tonic to our woes.

    • So hanging on to magic books and magic men would fix all this? I highly doubt that assertion. Religion often breeds intolerance and violence and is anti-science, anti-modern and anti-progress.

      So, let us not misidentify religion as the tonic to our woes.
      —————–Refute that this nation is ‘tolerant’ now.. All of the things I mentioned above is ‘tolerant’ to you?? Please.. I just wrote up there; We now have abortion, murder, gangs, rape, low grades, violence, drive-bys, girls that are now slutty, ETC..
      ALL of this has happened because we kicked GOD out, this is a fact, refute it.

      • We now have abortion, murder, gangs, rape, low grades, violence, drive-bys, girls that are now slutty, ETC..

        Tolerance causes all of that? Wow. Of course how could I miss the connection between tolerance and slutty girls? Your statement is a slippery slope of unproven assertions.

        ALL of this has happened because we kicked GOD out, this is a fact, refute it.

        Well, actually if it your assertion, then it is up to you to prove it. Since God does not exist (and is irrelevant), it is very hard to ‘kick him out of anywhere’.

        Hmmm…in the US abortion was made legal in 1973 by the landmark Roe vs Wade court ruling. The courts, in a rational decision gave much needed reproductive freedom to women. Not a lot of god kicking, just women gaining freedom, which is a good thing.

        As far as murder, gangs, rape, low-grades, slutty-girls are concerned they all existed before and will continue to exist in society for the near future.

        The positive change was a move toward a more secular rational culture. This trend seems to be reversed of late with the rise of evangelical christianity in America, a worrisome trend to say the least.

    • You also, without knowing quoted straight from the Communist Goals for America;

      ’27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.” [i.e. destroy God’s vision for his children.]

      -28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.” [ This was a reality after the Court perjurously invented the “separation of church and state” in Everson v Bd. Ed 1947. Note: Engel v. Vitale, 82 S. Ct.1261 (1962) & Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 (1963), see (#16)]_c. , _d.

    • Alt;
      You are brainwashed by the Communist Goals, even if YOU chose not God, you should not be a fascist and say it was a ‘step in the right direction’ Show me the positives of kicking God out- THERE ARE NONE.

      • God isn’t being kicked out. God is disappearing. In the developed world, it’s because reason reigns. The idea of god is melting, like the wicked witch of the west.

        Making religion central to national life gives us Wahhabi Islam and the Taliban. Good luck with that.

  25. The positive change was a move toward a more secular rational culture.
    This culture is absolute VIOLENT. You know this, no matter how hard you try, kicking prayer and God out has messed our lives up so totally bad, that there are NO sound morals.
    There is NO “utopia”

    • God gives people an excuse for having bad morals. After all, God told Bush to invade Iraq and kill 100s of thousands of innocent civilians. And Jesus died for the sins of Christians, so why not just go out and sin all you want? After all, it’s paid for! 🙂

      If you want good values, look to Buddhism. I’ve become a JuBu (Jewish Buddist).

  26. kicking prayer and God out has messed our lives up so totally bad, that there are NO sound morals.

    Kicking god and prayer out is a step in the right direction.

    Ask Kant about the categorical imperative as your assertion there are no sound morals.

    What it seems like is that society is not being run the way ‘you’ like it. I speculate that you would probably endorse a theocracy of some sort, laying down god’s rule in the face of rationality and reason.

    There is NO “utopia”

    I agree, there is no magic man waiting to lay his judgment down on peoples lives. No magic reward in the end, all the more reason to make the most of the limited time we have here.

  27. Ms. Holland,

    “Alan: And the 400 or so released from Gitmo by the Bush aministration? Were they terrorists we rereleased back into the world? Or innocent people? Like the two who were returned to Yemen to organize the Christmas attack?”

    I don’t have an answer to all 400. Maybe some were released for lack of evidence, or because someone deemed them not as dangerous as the ones that were kept. So tell me, why did President Obama stop releasing Guantanamo bay prisoners to Yemen? Your hero criticized Bush for being too lax, then he released more prisoners to Yemen, then he stopped.

    Has there ever been a President who contradicted himself more than Obama?

    Arbourist,

    ” Since God does not exist (and is irrelevant), it is very hard to ‘kick him out of anywhere’. ”

    Is everything that happens just random chance? Is it just random chance that you exist today and not a hundred years ago? Is it random chance that babies conceived the same micro second you were, had their brains sucked out in abortions, yet because you had a different mother, you are here?

    I have walked away twice from head on car collisions that should have killed me. You mean I don’t even have a guardian angel to thank for that? I can at least send a prayer to the genius who invented the airbag, can’t I ?

    • God tried to kill you twice! You better watch your back.

    • Is everything that happens just random chance?

      Certainly not everything happens by chance, I mean I did not by happenstance decide to reply to your comment. It would be silly if I responded to your comment on a random blog. But if you are referring to randomness in the cosmological scale and how human beings came to exist, the answer would be yes.

      Is it random chance that babies conceived the same micro second you were, had their brains sucked out in abortions,

      Really Mr.Scott? Your standards are slipping, I was hoping for one of the pictures of a aborted fetus; because only then, and only then, your point would have been justly made.

      There could have been any number of unforeseen permutations that could have ended my life. From traffic accidents to falling meteors.

      Stripping women of their reproductive rights is still wrong.

      You mean I don’t even have a guardian angel to thank for that?

      If you mean by guardian angel, statistical probability then by all means. Belief in the arcane and occult seems a little dated in this century.

      As an aside, consider that Cthulhu or the Flying Spaghetti Monster could touched you with his Noodlely Appendage and saved you. Mystically speaking, you could make the case for any of the three. (Plus I would like, totally needyour autograph if Cthulhu was interested in your lifepath, as Cthulhu is a total bad-ass)

      I can at least send a prayer to the genius who invented the airbag, can’t I ?

      Certainly. But imagining the creator of the entire universe has put his magical shield of uber-powerific goodness around you, making you impervious to car related death, seems to be a little bit of a stretch for most rational people.

    • [have walked away twice from head on car collisions that should have killed me. You mean I don’t even have a guardian angel to thank for that?]

      Does that mean that god considers you ‘special’, since so many good people – children and babies included – die in car accidents every day. Where were their guardian angels?

      (I believed in that when I was a child; gave it up when the old guardian seemed never to come through)

  28. God isn’t being kicked out. God is disappearing. In the developed world, it’s because reason reigns.
    Wow, ALL of our laws came from God, you are saying straight up that you hate LAW.

    Also, you need to read what you are supportive of;

    ’24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
    ’27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion.

    What is SICK, is that you are bold about being a Communist.
    http://neprimer.com/1963ComGoals.htm

    • Wow, ALL of our laws came from God, you are saying straight up that you hate LAW.

      Hmmm…you would think the creator of the universe would have a law specifically against rape…or child abuse. But I suppose he really isn’t a detail type of being.

      Our laws have been, and always shall be composed by and for human beings. There is no compelling evidence that god is involved in making our laws or really giving a damn (if such a being existed) about the sum of humanity in this insignificant backwater of the universe that we call home.

      What is SICK, is that you are bold about being a Communist.

      Considering your vast knowledge about my personal ideologies and political leanings it is certainly prudent to make assertions like those quoted above.

      But really, in the end, name calling is usually just an excuse to sound important when your religiously-addled arguments are too weak to stand on their own.

      The risibly delusional nature of your argumentation leaves much to be desired in regards to anything resembling rational debate.

  29. Moe said:

    Hey Arb: I’m the Communist this time, not you! (Give me my chance here.)

    I’m sorry Moe, I did not mean to horn in on your time in the sun. A thousand apologies. 🙂 I keep forgetting I’ve been branded the resident ‘intellectual’. You are must be the local Red Scare.

    I’ll keep to reactionary stereotype in the future.

    Good day Comrade! :>

  30. Our laws have been, and always shall be composed by and for human beings
    No, the LAW comes from Judaism. the 10 Commandments which our nation was ONCE made great by are Mosaic Law.
    Nice try ladies.
    Leave that Communist Manifesto behind, and come and wade in the waters.

  31. Mr. Hoffman,

    ” God tried to kill you twice! You better watch your back ”

    When he wants me, watching my back won’t help.

    Arbourist,

    ” As an aside, consider that Cthulhu or the Flying Spaghetti Monster could touched you with his Noodlely Appendage and saved you.”

    You are saying that God could have sent the Flying Spaghetti Monster or whatever that other thing is to save me? The Lord does work in mysterious ways.

    I find it interesting as to what makes you an atheist and me religious. I can only guess that you pretty much have everything in your life under control. Myself, I am merely a piece of plankton in a sea of uncertainty. You must be one of the really big fish who fear nothing.

    Ms. Holland,

    “Does that mean that god considers you ’special’, since so many good people – children and babies included – die in car accidents every day. Where were their guardian angels?”

    When God tells me those things I will pass them along. The only person who thinks I’m special is Mom. She thought six of us were special enough not to abort us. Of course that was the 1950s type woman. These modern ones, well that’s why America is going to hell in a hand basket.

    • [Myself, I am merely a piece of plankton in a sea of uncertainty.]

      I always thought of you as more of a barnacle on the dinghy of life. 🙂

      But seriously, don’t you think that believing in the supernatural adds to your fears rather than calming them?

      • But seriously, don’t you think that believing in the supernatural adds to your fears rather than calming them?

        It sounds like Ben, you need to be touched by the noodly appendage. Only then will you know true peace and wisdom, the FSM provides all….plus tasty meatballs. 🙂

    • Alan Scott said: You are saying that God could have sent the Flying Spaghetti Monster or whatever that other thing is to save me? The Lord does work in mysterious ways.

      Not sent by the ‘LORD’. But rather viable alternatives to the christian lord, so to speak.

      I can only guess that you pretty much have everything in your life under control.

      I wish.

      You must be one of the really big fish who fear nothing.

      Sort of a baseless assumption, although it looks like you could be setting up for the ‘arrogant atheist/persecuted humble believer of christian majority’ trope.

      When God tells me those things I will pass them along.

      Tell him I said “hi”. Is it sorta like the red batphone under glass from the old Batman and Robin Series? Or does the lord rate a iphone these days?

      Of course that was the 1950s type woman.

      You know, a good woman who knows her role, like chattel.

      These modern ones, well that’s why America is going to hell in a hand basket.

      Damn uppity ni…errrr…women. Give them rights and autonomy and my male privilege *might* be challenged. I’m with you Alan, lets get those coloured people and women back under the yoke, double-quick, because obviously when racism was more openly acceptable and tolerated it was a better society.

  32. Arbourist,

    How very clever of you to slip in the “those coloured people and women back under the yoke,” line. Didn’t think us right wingers were quick enough to catch that double branding me as not only a male chauvinist, but a racist? I’ll have you know that I’m only against Barak Obama’s white half.

    I am not anti woman. I am anti modern woman. While there are quite a few throw backs within the modern ranks, there really is no comparison to the women of a few generations ago. Our great grandmothers in the morning gave birth to our grandparents, sobered up their men folk and made them lunch, and then plowed the lower forty acres before making supper in the evening, maybe skinning a buffalo or two before bedtime.

    Your modern American woman sits around eating bon bons and watching Oprah, while hubby drags himself off to an early grave in the salt mines of corporate America. With all that, these women are all really pissed off all the time.

    “When God tells me those things I will pass them along.”

    “Tell him I said “hi”. Is it sorta like the red batphone under glass from the old Batman and Robin Series? Or does the lord rate a iphone these days? ”

    He’s old fashioned, the red batphone. I will pass along your greeting. You say hi to your guy also and give him my sympathies that the current cold wave has frozen over his home.

    Mr. Hoffman,

    “I always thought of you as more of a barnacle on the dinghy of life. :)”

    I believe that even a barnacle has a plankton phase. When I find something to fasten myself to, they won’t be able to scrape me off.

    “But seriously, don’t you think that believing in the supernatural adds to your fears rather than calming them?”

    I cling eternally to my religion and my guns. The two great certainties in an uncertain world.

    • [Our great grandmothers in the morning gave birth to our grandparents, sobered up their men folk and made them lunch, and then plowed the lower forty acres before making supper in the evening, maybe skinning a buffalo or two before bedtime.]

      Alan – you have seen WAY too many movies.

      [these women are all really pissed off all the time.]

      Maybe the women in your life.

    • Didn’t think us right wingers were quick enough to catch that double branding me as not only a male chauvinist, but a racist?

      I was commenting on your assertions as they provide more than enough evidence as to which spectrum of beliefs you abide by. You are in no need of being ‘branded’ by me or any other external authority.

      I am not anti woman. I am anti modern woman.

      So you are not against women, just the majority women that are alive right now. Gotcha.

      Your modern American woman sits around eating bon bons and watching Oprah, while hubby drags himself off to an early grave in the salt mines of corporate America.

      Ah, now this is a luscious strawman riddled feast, with the bonus of not really being in touch with reality. Firstly, generalizing about any class of people is hazardous policy at best. I could generalize that most right-wingers are intellectually constipated. But it is not a fair, nor charitable, statement to make because certainly not all right-wingers suffer from intellectual constipation.

      Therefore, the statement that “our modern American woman sits around eating bon bons and watching Oprah” is at best an inaccurate generalization about women and how they spend time. I think a more accurate generalization would look something like this:

      Both parents slaving away for the corporate state because living wages have been actively neglected by corporations in pursuit of a bigger bottom line. The above statement is closer to reality than the first.

      But interestingly what seems apparent is the strawman argument being set up; first the romanticized version of hardworking ‘pioneering’ women versus the lazy modern woman with apparently nothing better to than eat chocolate and watch TV.

      What comes across is that misrepresentation that all modern women are lazy and entitled. And with that you lower the boom:“With all that, these women are all really pissed off all the time.”

      How dare these indolent modern women complain about their situation. They have it easy.

      Women are still considered the sex class in Western society, they are systematically discriminated against, undervalued and objectified for the needs of men and the Patriarchy.

      Romantically pining for a era when women where considered less than human does not strike me as a particularly progressive notion.

      I cling eternally to my religion and my guns.

      Ah, christianity, the religion of peace.

  33. Ms. Holland,

    “Alan – you have seen WAY too many movies.”

    You got that part right.

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